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<font size="-1"><font face="Times New Roman">Geo I think you have
the Miata handling and S2000 handling mixed up. No doubt the
Miata is a great sports car, but the S2k seems to have it beat
in just about every area, including handling. I agree neither
can be counted as the spiritual successor since they are RWD and
not pedestrian enough. There have been spiritual successors to
the SE-R throughout the years, but I don't think any of them
have captured all of the magic, if you know what I mean. You
might say the [Neon] SRT-4 was close, and if the Acura RSX-S
were cheaper maybe that too... But nothing will be the same.<br>
<br>
That's funny about the M Roaster talk... I just picked up this
new daily driver:<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://listings.mcoupebuyersguide.com/images/LC62163-08.jpg">http://listings.mcoupebuyersguide.com/images/LC62163-08.jpg</a><br>
<br>
After a long search, I'm finally in the daily driver of my
dreams.<br>
<br>
-Ben Fenner<br>
1994 Black SE-R<br>
2000 Black M-Coupe<br>
<br>
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On 3/17/2012 4:17 PM, George Roffe wrote:
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<div>Try an M Roadster. The S52 version (E36 M3 engine) has the
same hp with lots of torque. The S54 version (E46 M3 engine) is
a monster. The Z3 is a great platform. Doesn't handle a well as
a Miata (what does?) but I'll bet it handles as well as an
S2000.</div>
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<div>Geo<br>
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Sent from my iPad</div>
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On Mar 17, 2012, at 2:33 PM, "Fancher, Jim" <<a
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<font
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Laugh
if you must, but the Miata is on my list of favorite cars.
I've always wanted one. I'd rather find a nice S2000. Now
those look like a blast, but I've never driven one.<br>
<br>
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<font
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><b>From</b>:
Benjamin Rockwell [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:benjamin_rockwell@yahoo.com">mailto:benjamin_rockwell@yahoo.com</a>]
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<b>Sent</b>: Saturday, March 17, 2012 01:40 PM<br>
<b>To</b>: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Subject</b>: Re: Current make/model successors to B13 <br>
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<div>I hate to say it, but if you want a car that has a
similar, if not better, driving experience, an
MX-5/Miata (the poodle car for the old timers) may be it. It
has some low end grunt, handles amazingly and the shifter is
a shorty from the factory. Mazda has done a pretty good job
at keeping it from becoming bloated as most other models
have as they modernized.</div>
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<div>Ben<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:12 PM,
Kieran A. Lavin <span dir="ltr">
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kieran@kieranlavin.com">kieran@kieranlavin.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>You have to take what the automotive journalists say
with a grain of salt. Ray and I overheard journalists
at the NY Autoshow when the GTR first came out talking
about how great the v8 under the hood is! It's their
JOB and they still don't have a clue<br>
<br>
<br>
kieran<br>
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<div class="im">Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2012 10:18 pm<br>
Subject: Current make/model successors to B13<br>
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To: "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:se-r@se-r-list.org">se-r@se-r-list.org</a>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div class="h5">
<div>Great suggestions. The Mini Cooper base might
be a tad slow with a 0-60 mph of around 8.4
seconds (according to Edmunds). The Ford Focus ST
specs look great, and I love how far Ford has come
around in the past 20-30 years. The Civic Si fits
the criteria pretty well. I've read that the
current model is a bit boring but I realize the
journalists are comparing to the stiffer, 7800 RPM
redline Si's of the past (which they criticized
for having little off-the-line torque). All told
though, I think there isn't anything worthy to
serve as spiritual successor (yet). :(
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<div>Looks like fun - Ford Focus ST first drive:
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-ford-focus-st-first-ride-feature"
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</a><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Ivan<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at
6:26 PM, Benjamin Rockwell <span dir="ltr">
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<p>The upcoming Ford Focus ST...<a
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href="http://www.ford.com/cars/focus/focusst/">http://www.ford.com/cars/focus/focusst/</a></p>
<p>Ford has come a long way since the B13
days. If you can get past the racer boy
styling, it fits the punch list pretty
well.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 14,
2012 at 12:08 AM, Ivan Chou <span
dir="ltr">
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Great thread, though we've gotten
far away from the original NX2000
price question. :)
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<div>if I may ask, what are folks'
opinions of a current spiritual
successor? Something that
continues on from the original BMW
2002 / Datsun 510 criteria -
economy pricing, sporty, sips gas,
deceptively quick / stealthy
looking. Finally there are the
"just right" criteria with the
driving experience. I'm talking
about buttery shifts, nice seats,
and SR20-like power band (I really
miss the 3rd gear 4000-7500 RPM
feel at WOT).
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<div>To me, the closest thing is
the Mazda3 sedan, and that's not
saying much. If we include
hatches, maybe the something
like the Mini Cooper S would
apply, though they are
relatively underpowered compared
to vehicles in equivalent model
years (for those who don't keep
tabs, most newer minivans can do
0-60 mph in 7.x seconds!). I've
seen long-time list members with
cars like the Mazdaspeed3 and
Lancer Evo, but these aren't
econoboxes, and don't have good
fuel economy. Is it so hard for
car companies to replicate the
formula? Or maybe just not
profitable? <br>
<br>
The upcoming 2013 Subaru BR-Z /
Scion FR-S probably have the
right specs, but they are way
too flashy for me. </div>
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<div>Ivan<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue,
Mar 13, 2012 at 1:37 PM, <span
dir="ltr"><<a
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href="mailto:wc701lists@bellsouth.net">wc701lists@bellsouth.net</a>></span>
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On 3/13/2012 6:57 AM, Greg
Amy wrote:<br>
> The Acura RSX-R is what
the NX2000 *could* have
been, had Nissan<br>
> delivered it to the USA
with the SR20VE, a 6-speed,
and a decent<br>
> interior.<br>
<br>
They changed the 2005 &
06 RSX "Type S" models a
lot, and they were<br>
basically identical with the
"R" in other countries. The
1991 & 92 SE-R<br>
seats were superb, and Car
& Driver called them the
"best ever" in a<br>
production car till the
Acura NSX (not RSX) came
out. One C&D writer<br>
even bitched they were "over
bolstered" - this from the
mag' that<br>
constantly complained about
seats lacking lateral
support. The NX2k<br>
seats were not as great, but
I have no gripes about the
interior of the<br>
B13 SE-R & NX nor the
RSX. The classy yet austere
interior of the RSX<br>
was a lot of was sold me on
it.<br>
<br>
-Wayne<br>
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